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April 28, 2011

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"... Khalid Sheikh Mohammed provided U.S. interrogators the name of a courier trusted by bin Laden, enabling U.S. officials to eventually track the courier to the compound where bin Laden was found and killed on Sunday by a helicopter-borne team of Navy SEALs."

This should make Khalid Sheikh Mohammed quite the popular fellow around the shish kebab pit at Guantanamo!

Ms Longmire,

On this day when our country can be heartened by the closure the death of OBL may bring to the families of those killed on 9/11 - perhaps it is a good time, as P suggests to broaden the discussion from the war on the DTOs to the war on international terrorism.

Specifically I'd like to address the issue of using waterboarding and other enhanced (harsh) interrogation methods. Rather than discuss the legality of those techniques or whether they may be considered torture I'd like to discuss the issue of doing nothing.

If prior to 9/11, we had been able to identify and detain one of the 9/11 pilots living in the US (it was certainly possible)...we would of course have interogated him and he would of course have resisted us. Would your readers have authorized the use of waterboarding and enhanced interrogation techniques, regardless of the legality, to perhaps thwart the 9/11 plot. I would have.

If the use of waterboarding and enhanced interrogation had successfully obtained the 9/11 plot, not only would the 3000 people who died on 9/11 been saved but perhaps would we not have invaded Afghanistan where thousands of Coalition and Afghan soldiers and civilians have been killed and tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians wounded.

Is it naive to consider using simiualted drowning techniques or worse on Al Queda leaders if thousands of Americans, Coalition forces and Afghans could have been saved.

@R Fung - I think the debate is less about the legality (either its use is legal or it isn't; that can be found out easily) of enhanced interrogation techniques and more about the morality of it. Of course, like all things moral and immoral, it's subjective. Do the ends justify the means when we're dealing with terrorists who care nothing for the value of human life? Or do we start on a slippery slope with loud music and sleep deprivation, then waterboarding, then something else?

Here's where things get more complicated. In the case of Mexico's military, they could potentially be using these techniques *on their own people.* Furthermore, there are things going on that the terrorism/torture issue doesn't cover - breaking into people's homes, going through their stuff, "disappearing" people because they "might" be involved in drug trafficking, raping women, etc. Imagine if we had tens of thousands of US Army soldiers roaming the country and busting into American homes to do those things. Of course, that's unthinkable to us, but it's what is reportedly (and likely) going on in Mexico.

With the torture issue, we're talking about doing nasty things to foreigners who we happen to catch on foreign soil trying to kill Americans. Some Americans believe that every human being on the planet deserves the same rights as all Americans if they enter into our justice system. Others believe that since they're terrorists who would kill our babies if they could, putting Jack Bauer to work at his worst would be too merciful.

So obviously we're talking about two different situations, but the bottom line is that the legality/illegality of torture methods is easy to sort out, but the morality issue...not so much.


Sylvia,

While you state that you have never defended nor advocated the use of torture, you none the less have not spoken clearly against it’s use, at least not here. In fact your statement that water-boarding has never been deemed illegal tends to lean more toward support than away from it. Your stance thus far smacks of much the same as did the German town folks living near to the death camps, but never suspecting a thing. Or of the neighbor who sees the lady next door with an occasional black eye. I took a stance on torture many years ago after witnessing it first hand. Water-boarding is a form of torture, and I clearly stand against it’s use as do many others. let there be no doubt in that. While you suggest that water-boarding has ‘’historically’’ not been deemed illegal, you are no source reference to support you claim? I disagree with such a suggestion, and have attached some historically references for you to consider.
Concerning your suggection that I should contact the Ca. N/G to learn about MJ grows, consider this: I was involved in eradication of MJ grows a Hell of a lot bigger than anything those NG boys might discover today, long before they were even a glint in their daddy’s eye.

Thanks for your time, Fred

In 1983 Texas sheriff James Parker and three of his deputies were convicted for conspiring to force confessions. The complaint said they "subject prisoners to a suffocating water torture ordeal to coerce confessions. This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning".[109] The sheriff was sentenced to ten years in prison, and the deputies to four years.[109][116]

Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to water boarding by his Japanese captors.[109] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again... I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."[35] The United States hanged Japanese soldiers for water boarding American prisoners of war.[9]

Water boarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in Vietnam 40 years ago. A photograph that appeared in The Washington Post of a U.S. soldier involved in water boarding a North Vietnamese prisoner in 1968 led to that soldier's severe punishment.
"The soldier who participated in water torture in January 1968 was court-martialed within one month after the photos appeared in The Washington Post, and he was drummed out of the Army," recounted Darius Rejali, a political science professor at Reed College.


Bradbury of DoJ: 2/15/08
"There has been no determination by the Justice Department that the use of waterboarding, under any circumstances, would be lawful under current law,"

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